Thursday, March 5, 2009

Conspiracy theory in NTU stabbing?



Check out this comment made on the Straits Times below. 

edwin2026
Yesterday, 02:37 PM
I am one of David Hartanto's close friend and I am here to give you
some facts, assumptions, possibilities about this case

Facts:

1. Lok Tat Seng: Dean of Student of NTU gathered all Indonesian students in
International Student Center on evening after incident and 
he just said there was witness on the spot who saw David's body lying on the ground,
dead. Dean did not said that witness saw David jumped from balcony. 
And that is, according to him, all he has saw.

2. The only official statement from police is: David was found dead at
the crime scene, they did not mention whether he commited suicide.

The link: http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIM...20at%20NTU.pdf

They also just mention 'The professor was believed to be stabbed'. The police
did not say that 'the professor was stabbed'. Where this assumption come from? Why
they did not say about it? 

3. I and some Indonesian students gather tonight, 3 March 2009, at 8 pm, 
at International Student Center and talked to David's parent. 
They have seen his body. There was NO WOUND whatsoever on his wrists 
and police also has confirmed it. 
I assumed that his parent would not lie it means that all media news about
'David slashed his wrist' was FAKE.

4. The wounds found on David's body, according to his parents, 
were on his head (It is assumed due to fall injury),
and slash wound on his neck. The wound on his neck is very suspicious, in
my opinion. How he received that wound?? Again, according to his parent,
police guessed that it may be happened when the bottom part of his head smashed
the ground. In that case, his chin will have broken and it did not.
My question is: WHERE DOES THAT SLASH WOUND ON HIS NECK CAME FROM?

Assumptions:
1. David stabbed professor. How did you know? The crime scene is closed room,
only David and that professor. No one see what has happened. 
Eye-witness only saw David run out from that room.

2. David commited suicide. How could someone who commited suicide drop himself
into glassed roof, instead of directly drop himself to ground.

3. David slashed his wrist. I do not know where this news came from...

4. David's motivation.

4.1. He pissed off since his prof did not give satisfactory grade

The grade has not been released and he even has not submitted the report.
It is also NTu policy not to inform the student about the grade which they got
before release of the result.

4.2. He has mental problem

No record in Student Counselling Centre about his attendance. For bright student
as him, I did not believe that he did not attend counseling if he has some
problems. Also, he still brought bag with usual daily stuff, on incident day,
such as drink bottle, towel, etc. If David planned to kill someone why would
he prepare to bring such things. It is easier for him to just bring one knife
and stab his prof on spot.

4.3. He pissed off because his scholarship has been revoked

I knew David since I was his roommate for 2 consecutive 
years during Mathematical Olympiad training camp. He almost did not 
qualify for IMO, only managed to get at 14th rank from 15 people selected.
He still joked and laughed to me at that time. He also did not get anything
from IMO and still fine, not seemed depressed whatsoever, and according to his
parents, he said 'At least, I managed to represent Indonesia at IMO'
He also still play Hammerfall game in Facebook at 2 am on the incident day. My friend
saw his Facebook account online. How come
a murderer played game in the night before incident? If I was him, 
I will seriously think how would I prepare myself tomorrow

Possibilities:
1. Professor attacked David. I deduced this thing for several key points.
According to many reports, David's cloth was soaked on blood. If the blood is 
the result from slashing his wrist, it should not soak his cloth since wrist is 
far from body. If the wound is from neck, it is easier. 

2. David tried to run from Professor. After he realized that he was attacked, 
he resisted and run from that room, with wound on his neck.

3. David falled because of unconsciousness. He became panic and probably lose 
his common sense because of terrible bleeding, drop himself down into glassed roof 
to escape from his Professor.

I am responsible for what I have written here, and contact me at kaminari.no.me@gmail.com
if you need any clarification.



Amidst all the spin by the traditional media that David Hartanto Widjaja is a loner who plays WOW and stabbed Prof Chan Kap Luk and then commited suicide, and that its all due to a withdrawal of his ASEAN scholarship, there are some questions to be asked according to 'his friend'. Reading this makes bbqchickenwings confused and think that we need Tim Sir from Forensic Heroes (法政先锋). 

So did David Hartanto Widjaja have his wrist slashed or worse got slashed in the neck?
Who is the aggressor? Is there more than meet the eye? 
Only Prof Chan knows. 

One life is wasted, another one injured. Should we ask whether this tragedy could have been prevented after all? For all the defense that NTU says it has on counselling schemes, could more empathy have been shown? This is about life and death after all. Wait a minute, I forgot this is Singapore. Life and death is not so important, most important is whether a person contributes to the economic growth of the country. 


Nothing can make up for the loss of a loved one. My condolences to the Widjaja family.

20 comments:

  1. This guy is so lame. Trying to use logic on people committing suicide and playing with people's mind.

    1. David stabbed professor. How did you know? The crime scene is closed room.

    Ya the prof stab David n he can still run out. Prof's back was stabbed and this is confirmed by hospital. This guy is
    suggesting that the whole Singapore is trying to cover up the incident. If there is any serious attempt to kill David the 'knife wound' suggested by this nameless poster wouldn't have allowed him to RUN out to level 4 and jump.

    2. David commited suicide. How could someone who commited suicide drop himself
    into glassed roof, instead of directly drop himself to ground.

    If its high enough, you'll jump. People committing suicide won't bother if its the glass roof or the ground or even grass patch.

    3. My friend saw his Facebook account online.

    Being online on facebook doesn't mean that he is playing games. Uni students log on 24/7 and he probably didn't log out since his last sign in. I have a very good friend who committed suicide and the night before he is playing pool with his friends at far east.

    Dumb "friend" trying to act smart.

    Condolences to Widjaja family. This should have never been allowed to happen in the first place.

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  2. Kai, this 'friend' is far-fetched in his suggestion that the prof is the aggressor. There is no motive for the prof to want to hurt the student unless its for self defence.

    But I still like to know whether David has his wrists slashed as proclaimed by the press or not. And if not, WHY?

    On hindsight, its easy to say that this should not have been allowed to happen. But in a university with tens of thousands of students, its impossible to make sure that everyone is in a healthy state of mind and not fall into depression. Counseling and help may be available but students may choose not to use them.

    In this case though, there is a withdrawal of scholarship, and a 'loss' of honor. The university should be more proactive, not just in this case, in ensuring the student can pick up and move on instead of becoming a samurai and end his/her life due to pride.

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  3. Dear Edwin,
    What you wrote about the state of Widjaja's wrist is very important. You should inform your embassy, and demand the photos taken by the police before the evidence is destroyed. According to your report, even Widjaja's mother did not see anything resemblng a "slashed wrist". And the slash wound on his neck begs more questions. All these add up to the fact that Widjaja was cremated so hastily - was there no autopsy conducted?
    My own theory is that there was a scuffle in the office, Widjaja was slashed (in the neck) as a result, he ran out in panic, and fell to his death. They are protecting the China professor, since he can be charged for causing hurt to the student. Remember, this is the same NTU that issued a bid for 300 chairs costing $2,200 each, and raised student fees.

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  4. The slashing wrist is just a wrong perception by witnesses since they saw David's hand is in blood

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  5. the top of his head hits the ground before his chin, his speed may be slow down because of that, hence his chin is not destroyed.
    the wound on his neck, what kind of wound? some say bruise, some say slash wound, some say stab wound, which one is true? what is the shaped of the wound?

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  6. the most important question is " WHERE IS THE KNIFE/WEAPON OR WHATEVER" that used to attack the prof . it seems no one ever explain about it

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  7. i thought the knife was found?
    http://www.asiaone.com/static/multimedia/gallery/090303_stabbed/

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  8. http://www.asiaone.com/static/multimedia/gallery/090303_stabbed/

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  9. Hi Anon 5.41,

    Thanks for the picture links. I see so much blood from the prof's office to the stairways and the door handle.

    So the question I have now is: Whose blood?

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  10. David's or the prof's that stick on David?

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  11. News from any form of media, especially those that can reach the masses should present only facts, and not sensationalize or add in what they think has happened.

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  12. "Anonymous said...
    the most important question is " WHERE IS THE KNIFE/WEAPON OR WHATEVER" that used to attack the prof . it seems no one ever explain about it"

    Uhh... The knife was found stuck in the prof's back? It was still there when they brought him to the hospital?

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  13. I also think there is something fishy here.
    "The scolarship termination is not a matter" said his family.
    And what the motive than? grade? But why he already knew about the grade when he even hadn't submit the report?
    Unfortunately he's not here anymore to defend himself.
    Feel so sorry for him

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  14. "Uhh... The knife was found stuck in the prof's back? It was still there when they brought him to the hospital?"

    nope, he attempted another stab, so it is not stucked in the prof's back
    http://www.asiaone.com/static/multimedia/gallery/090303_stabbed/


    "'The scolarship termination is not a matter' said his family."
    That's according to his family, but they didn't know about it. And it may matter for david
    Why he knew the grade? mostlikely he knew it because he knew he that couldn't finish his fyp, therefore he couldn't get any good grade

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  15. What I don't understand is, why everybody's trying to defend him, while knowing that: he was a game addict, he didn't socialize that much, his grade was bad, his scholarship is revoked, he had problem with his fyp, he attacked his prof, he suicided..

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  16. his friends had notice changes from him a week before the incident, he stop contacting them.
    if it was the prof who attacked him, could it be that he knew that the prof was gonna attack him? impossible...

    what if during that 1 week he focus on his fyp, then the prof is disappointed in his work, then he snapped then attack the prof, then feel guilty, then suicide? it's also impossible. why in the beginning he brought a knife with him? not to mention that the handle of the knife had been removed(maybe it is so that he can put it in his pocket, then attack the prof)

    it is obviously a murder-suicide

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  17. Someone should set up an online poll: are your sympathies with Widjaja or the China prof?

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  18. loads of speculations around. and at the end of the day we wont know the truth i guess. gets on my nerves when netizens start blasting at whatever they think is rubbish. or make sweeping statements like this.

    "his friends had notice changes from him a week before the incident, he stop contacting them."

    you have any source close to that of a first hand account? if not, pls SU (:

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  19. As I quote from http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/geekonomics/post.htm?id=63009411, "Depressed and angered NTU student stabbed kind and good professor, then slit his own wrist and died after jumping off building.".

    However, Police reports state that there were NO slits on his wrists, but slash wounds on his neck.

    WHY did the media try to cover this up and instead give us the impression that David was emotionally and mentally unstable at that point in time?

    Moreover, Police reports DO NOT state that David stabbed his professor, they merely stated that stab wounds were found on the professor.

    However, the media accuses David of stabbing his professor when THERE IS NO PROOF AT ALL.

    As I quote from the Singapore National Union of Journalists' Code of Professional Conduct, "Every member shall report and interpret the news with scrupulous honesty."
    The journalist(s) who wrote the article stating that he had slit his wrist could actually be brought to court by David's parents or relatives as THERE WAS NO DEFINITE PROOF THAT DAVID SLIT HIS WRISTS.

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